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Cheap cheap fish! Here’s an ad (from one of the hypermarches in France) for the fish called Pangas (also known as Pangasius, Vietnamese River Cobbler, Basa Fish and White Catfish). I took it as a reminder to alert you to the dangers of this weird fish. I learned about Pangas not long ago. It’s online here: Documentary all about Pangas.(in French)
Poisson ou poison?
Pangas, which are industrially farmed in Vietnam along the Mekong River, has only been recently introduced to the French market, but in a very short time, it’s gotten very popular in France. The French are slurping up Pangas like it’s their last meal of ramen. It’s dirt cheap, is sold de-boned and it has a mild flavor and texture; people compare it to cod and sole. But as tasty as some may find it, there lurks something immensely unsavory about it. I’m not saying there aren’t problems with other food like pork and other meats, I’m just making a point about this particular fish and hope it will serve as very important information for you and your future choices.
Here’s why I think it should be avoided like the plague:

1. Pangas are infested with high levels of poisons and bacteria. (arsenic, industrial effluents and toxic and hazardous by-products of the growing industrial sector, metal contaminants, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), DDT and its metabolites (DDTs), chlordane-related compounds (CHLs), hexachlorocyclohexane isomers (HCHs), and hexachlorobenzene (HCB)). The Mekong River is one of the most polluted rivers on the planet and this is where pangas are farmed.A sidenote: our friend lab tests pangas and tells us to avoid eating them due to high amounts of contamination. They are still accepted by large markets and they still sell them to the general public knowing they are contaminated.
2. Pangas are packed frozen in contaminated river water. Ew.
3. Pangas are environmentally devastating, a most unsustainable food you could possibly eat – You know how you should “buy local” in order to create the least amount of environmental harm as possible? This is the very opposite end of that spectrum of sustainable consumerism. Pangas are raised in Vietnam. The food fed to Pangas comes from Peru (more on that below), their hormones (which are injected into the female Pangas) come from China. (More about that below) THEN, they are transported from Vietnam to France. That’s not just a giant carbon foot print, that’s a carbon continent of a foot print.
4. There’s nothing natural about Pangas – They’re fed dead fish remnants and bones, dried and ground into a flour, from South America, manioc (cassava) and residue from soy and grains. Obviously, this type of nourishment doesn’t even remotely resemble what they eat in a natural environment. But what it does resemble is the method of feeding mad cows (cows were fed cows, remember?) What they feed pangas is completely unregulated so there are most likely other harmful substances and hormones thrown into the mix. The pangas grow 4 times faster than in nature…so what is exactly in their food? You guess is as good as mine.
5. Pangas are Injected with PEE – Honestly, I don’t know how they figured this one out but they’ve discovered that if they inject female Pangas with hormones derived from the dehydrated urine of pregnant women, the female Pangas grow faster and produce their eggs faster (one Panga can lay approximately 500,000 eggs at one time). Essentially, they’re injecting fish with hormones (they come all of the way from a pharmaceutical company in China) to speed up the process of growth and reproduction. That just can’t be good. Ok, now some of you crazy ass people out there might not mind eating fish injected with dehydrated pee and if you don’t good for you, but just consider the rest of the reasons to NOT eat it.
6. You get what you pay for – and then some. Don’t be lured in by insanely cheap price of Pangas. Is it worth risking your health?
7. Buying Pangas supports unscrupulous, giant, greedy evil corporations that don’t care about the health and well-being of humans. They only are concerned about selling as many pangas as possible to unsuspecting consumers. These corporations only care about bottom line.
8. Pangas will make you sick – If (for reasons in #1 above) you don’t get immediately ill with vomiting, diarrhea and effects from severe food poisoning, congratulations, you have an iron stomach! But you’re still ingesting POISON not poisson.
Another note: due to the prodigious amount of availability of Pangas, be warned that it will surely end up in other foods: surimi (those pressed fish things), fish terrines, and probably in some pet foods. (Warn your dogs and cats!)
(Video excerpt from Capitale on M6, which aired about 3 months ago)
Links: Buying fish in France, Le Panga, nouvelle abération de la mondialisation ?, carnival of the green
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Interesting.
I wonder who’s bankrolling reports such as this one about Pangas? Admittedly I know nothing of this fish, it’s market or its popularity. But it seems to skeptical little me that claiming the fish is horribly unsustainable and injected with urine by queer Third World boogies would be just the kind of sleazy thing some group opposed to this cheap fish taking market share would put out there for public consumption.
Maybe some sort of French commercial fisherman association or something?
Is this blog and its well-intentioned owner being used as an unwitting dupe? It’s possible since this page is reporting on a hysterical report.
I don’t know.
But NEVER, EVER take anything like this at face value, kids. Don’t allow yourselcves to be manipulated, either by the people who fund such “reports” or the perhaps well-intentioned folks who disseminate them.
Comment by Dave 01.30.08 @ 1:50 pmYeah. I figured that would get deleted, agendaboy. Sucker.
Comment by Dave 01.30.08 @ 4:18 pmI was not eating Pangas before (I try to eat fish that don’t fly half way around the world)… and I will continue…
FYI, this information was checked before. Just as it is known that cheap cow meat is coming from cows that never ate anything green, or that cheap chicken live in horrible conditions and are fed antibiotics continuously…
I do think that it is good that some people remind us of that, from time to time.
Just so we don’t forget what we really eat.
Crikey I’ve just eaten some, does this mean I will be dead in the morning?
Comment by Dave 02.14.08 @ 4:58 pmthis isn’t rat poison, dear dave. like with most noxious substances, their adverse affects will be cumulative.
Comment by ptinfrance 02.15.08 @ 8:54 amThanks for providing the report – my missus had heard about it when I told her I’d just bought a kilo presumably for 3.50€ but had been overcharged by Leclerc at 6.50€/kg (they were selling it at 4.80€/kg defrosted.
I figured a net search might throw something up, and by chance, I scrolled down and found Daves interesting comments.
I loved them (the comments) – well articulated, and definitely the right tone for any counter argument.
As for what I think:
Probably the greatest ‘impact statement’ referred to the River Mekong Panga fish farms, due to common knowledge of its polluted state, and that this water is also present on the fish.
On these points – clearly:
a) Washing the fish will be sensible
b) Don’t eat the fish every week
On the issue of excess bacteria – this is a normal everyday life issue: you make sure that you cook the food first, before eating it, in order to kill off the bacteria (just like with burgers).
So from an ‘edible protein’ perspective, the report makes us aware of certain concerns, and reminds us to maintain a varied well cooked diet.
For the other stuff – the carbon footprint craze:
As far as most serious scientists are concerned (including Britains top scientific advisor to the gov. remember?) – there is nothing we can do to prevent climate change.
It is a repeating flip-flop hot to cold – the only bizarre element is that for the last 10,000 years it has been extremely stable ie. the period when human civilisation has had chance to develop(or not, some might say)!
Overall, the key issue is this:
The only people who advocate paying 12€/kg for protein, are the people who can afford to pay 12€/kg.
Same as increased taxes to stop people travelling – that means – to allow only the wealthy to travel (cos by definition, the common man would be taxed off the road).
Yes – be aware.
But as Dave says – don’t be duped.
Comment by Mark 05.15.08 @ 6:08 pmDave, they really do inject them with women’s hormones that are found in pee. There was a documentary on tv about 2 weeks ago showing the scientist who discovered this “trick” to make the fish lay more eggs. I think he was British or French.
It’s not scaremongering, just scientific fact.
Comment by Francois 05.27.08 @ 10:50 amI caught the original M6 report which you link to on Daily Motion. The Mekong is filthy, worse than the Severn Trent in the 1970s, worse then the Seine today. These fish are filthy. I just can’t believe people would still buy them. Doesn’t Panga at 4euros/kg ring any alarm bells? Well it is your funeral Marc.
Comment by Davidof 05.27.08 @ 12:05 pmi’d jus like to say that we have been selling this fish for 20 years and no one has complained that have gotten sick, we even have regulars who come in every week for this fish and are fighting fit.
Comment by LL 06.06.08 @ 2:58 pmHave been eating this fish for a while now, as have many of our friends, and we have never heard anything adverse about it, or ever been ill. In fact, have just had fish and chips today!!
Thought the report very interesting, but always rely on my own judgement regarding foodstuffs also.
Comment by Karen Flynn 06.21.08 @ 5:50 amplease also consider the long term effects of something unhealthful.
you can eat something with aspartame and not feel ill just afterward, but down the line, your health will most likely be adversely affected by it.
another example is smoking. have a cigarette today and you feel fine, but after years and years of something like that – well, if you get lung cancer, you can’t wonder where it came from.
Comment by ptinfrance 06.21.08 @ 5:55 amThe fish just arrived in my country Maritius and first surprise was the cheap price but very good taste. Do not know the origin untill check on web. Strange is one of the picture above stating “to be avoided like the plague” is infact open sea catch coming down the boat income chanel as shown on the film documentary. I just wonder where the real truth lies, in France or in Vietnam.
Open to any comments.
Comment by Benard 07.06.08 @ 8:42 amEver wondered why more and more people are getting cancers today? We are what we eat. If we eat healthy, we should be okay but if we eat junk, then somehow, our bodies will have to compensate for it.
Unfortunately, our food chain today is very contaminated with steroids, poisons and genetically modified stuff. Chickens used to take three months minimum before they were of decent size but today, it takes no more than 8 weeks!
Same with fish that are being fed with modern steriods. This goes directly into our bodies and have you ever wondered why some kids are huge despite have much shorter parents?
It pays to be aware of what we put into our bodies and if we ever end up with lumps in our system, its probably our bad eating habits.
it shouldent be allowed !!!!
Comment by dave 07.12.08 @ 4:53 amhello every one from spain.
they have been selling this fish from more then 10years and no one complain about and now get the firt fish in the world the fisherman are complaining about. sorry they have all the analyse of that product the he is very safe the eat it.
Also all the fisherman in Galicia Spain are complaining because he becam the first fish in the world and they are not selling them products. please check how they are fishing you will see the way they do.
Comment by mounir 07.22.08 @ 11:04 amThis is my view:
There is always 2 sides to a coin.
It is irresponsible for people to spread fear without clarifying the truth.
Yes, there may be some truth to the in the early development of this spices of commercial farming.
There are many contradiction in the whole article.
The pictures used in this illustration were not sequentially taken from the farm it’s investigating or writing this “so called” informative article.
The pictures were gathered from different sources and put together and therefore do not truly represent the actual production sequent and truth about the product.
The argument in the article for e.g.:
1. Pangas are teeming with high levels of poisons and bacteria. – during the early days before commercial farm commences – there may be some degree of truth in this as the river was not properly managed(in the year 1991). Since 1991 to 2001 the WWF has classified the Mekong as the river of life and had many “MOU”s signed and managed the development along the whole Mekong River which runs from Tibetan – Qinghai Plateau and makes its way through tropical evergreen forests that shroud Laos and Myanmar. After winding through Cambodia and Thailand it ends in the Mekong delta in Vietnam. This vast region contains irreplaceable treasures ranging from communities with rich cultural heritages to wildlife in spectacular natural landscapes.
2. The reasons are that the Mekong River is one of the most polluted rivers on the planet and this is where pangas are farmed and industries along the river dump chemicals and industrial waste directly into it. – this is a out-dated fact. Our Singapore River and Kallang River were both the sewer discharge for Singapore and the busiest waterway during the 60’s. Today we have water sports and and our Minister even challenged us to drink the water from the rivers after micro-filtration during one of the water week a few years ago.
3. They freeze Pangas in contaminated river water. – no truth to this. All the processing plants are HACCP certified. These products are exporting to all over the world and used by most restaurants that sell Fish and Chips and many fish products now uses this product as their main ingredient. The EU is known to hold the world highest standards in Food Safety requirement especially for imports. (Local production in EU maybe “compromised for some” you know i know reasons. But for imports they are very strict in they implementation of the Food safety Standards. As stated in the article this product is exported to French – a EU member.
4. Pangas are not environmentally sustainable, a most unsustainable food you could possibly eat – the writer better learn to eat grass and shit in the field and not take the bus or drive a car, don’t use any electrical equipment, so that the environment is as natural as it was created. The writer should only consume what is growing where he/she is and not consume anything that comes a mile away.
5. There’s nothing natural about Pangas – want to be natural? take my suggestion as above “4″.
What wrong with “They’re fed dead fish remnants and bones, dried and ground into a flour, from South America , manioc ( cassava ) and residue from soy and grains. This kind of nourishment doesn’t even remotely resemble what they eat in nature.” this is food cycle. Do you know that the water in our reservoir are collect from rain water from the rain cloud that bring the rainfall, it in turn got it water from evaporation from earth (urine, watery shit, rotten corpse, spits, whatever you can think of….)
6. Final important note: Because of the prodigious amount of availability of Pangas, be warned that they will certainly find their way into other foods: surimi ( those pressed fish things, imitation crab sticks ), fish sticks, fish terrines, and probably in some pet foods. ( Warn your dogs and cats and hamsters and gerbils and even your pet fish! ) The writer really need just to learn how to glaze grass like a cow (and must practice free-range cow).
A lot of research and technological development is been done to ensure that Mekong River remains the most efficient food resource to the world.
Read this article:
To prevent the depleting water levels from worsening – consequently drying up the food supply of people living in the Mekong basin – an international research body unveiled a plan here on Thursday to pursue studies aimed at producing more food using less water. This research effort, under the Challenge Program on Water and Food by the Consultative Group on International Agriculture Research (CGIAR), is also geared at striking a balance between achieving food security and protecting the river’s rich biodiversity.
The Challenge Program is funding eight projects focusing on agriculture productivity and the efficiency of water use in the Mekong region, states a background note by the MRC. They include designing farming systems that will serve multiple purposes, such as having a wide variety of crops being grown along with other food sources and fish. Also earmarked is a study to “develop improved technologies for rice-based cropping systems, with the aim of increasing yield without more water use”.
Okay lah… I think I am writing too much.
Best of luck.
Comment by Kweesong 08.05.08 @ 9:59 pmhuh!!…it seem a lot of food that we cant eat rite now???
Comment by Nini 08.06.08 @ 8:24 pmThis fish is very popular in Europe as I have seen and eaten it on many occasions.
It is fair to say that nearly all the sea and river food stuffs we eat have a potential scare story attached.
Muscles, Farmed Salmon…. they all taste good but in recent times have had bad press……..
Ever realized that some of these little beasts that live in these murky waters – mid bottom dwellers have a role to filter the systems they live in?
In times they take on taste at the same time…
As our polulation grows and we seek ways to give our poor traditional fish a chance to re establish, we simply have to look elsewhere!
Would Panga be so bad if it was genetically modified to be commercially farmed in the Mersey??
Simply food for thought..
P))
This fish is very popular in Europe as I have seen and eaten it on many occasions.
It is fair to say that nearly all the sea and river food stuffs we eat have a potential scare story attached.
Muscles, Farmed Salmon…. they all taste good but in recent times have had bad press……..
Ever realized that some of these little beasts that live in these murky waters – mid bottom dwellers have a role to filter the systems they live in?
In times they take on taste at the same time…
As our polulation grows and we seek ways to give our poor traditional fish a chance to re establish, we simply have to look elsewhere!
Would Panga be so bad if it was genetically modified to be commercially farmed in the Mersey??
Simply food for thought..
P))
I do agree with Dave’s comments dated 30 Jan 08, stating such horrifying gimmicks of business threats are common in this business world. the authors comments saying that such fish come from the polluted Mekong River can’t make sense to me. Even fish that are being kept in crstal clear water in ponds if being fed with conteminated fish food, it will be high toxit. River waters are different as they flow.
It is just clear hatred of the Ero Market seeing such dishes become popular & being accepted overhelmingly in their areas.
Please be truthful & frank not all goods from ‘Third World’ countries come from trash bins.
Hi There,
Bought a couple of fillets from the big T store to make some thai fishcakes, thought I would check up on the origin of the fish, came across a lot of conflicting info. I work in environmental health / food safety and have brought the fillets in for toxicological analysis. I will post results of this partic sample when they are avail.
Cheers, Pol
Comment by pol 09.08.08 @ 2:10 amHi all , Im so glad I don’t have to eat it ,& I eat fish at least 3 times a week, A good rule of thumb is to go with GOD & he say”s If It dosn”t have fins & SCALES don’t eat it, I carn’t see any scales ,but if your hungery ??????
Comment by john 09.23.08 @ 6:08 amAll things on that post was illegal and some rumor making.
The pangasius industries is very big (million of ton/years) and is in the way for sustantable aquaculture.
All safety environment specification is monitor follow Europe Union regulation.
In vietnam it’s process in model factories with newest tech equipment. control follow HACCP princible.
Just think about the right and ignore the funny joke from some illegal competive business.
Thanks for read this
Comment by Phoenix 09.25.08 @ 9:29 pmhi there,
in conclusion, i just can’t figure out is there any food considered “safe” in today world???!!! Regardless of all standard measure that has been established for so called food safety.
thanks and always good luck…
Comment by lynn 10.09.08 @ 9:18 amCan any of these claims be substantiated? I’d like to see some solid and reputable evidence — or at least the citation of good sources — that will confirm these facts because as of now, it could be true, or it could be fake. Just saying.
Comment by Chris 10.10.08 @ 10:56 amRefer to comments by Pol,
What’s your status on the toxicological analysis?
Comment by min 10.13.08 @ 2:01 amThank goodness we have only eaten this about 4 times. Why is it not band by W.H.O.
I have also heard that the fish “glows”– not surprising!!!!.
This is ANOTHER HOAX to scare People!.. This story has no BASIS whatsoever!
Comment by Paolo 10.17.08 @ 9:59 amI live in indonesia, this fish we call Ikan Patin or Patin Fish. Common use for dinner or special occation. Patin Fish live in Sumatera such as Musi river in Palembang also In Kalimantan in Mahakam River.
Why you not buy it from Indonesia?
Just let me know if you need it.
I live in Paris and I have been eating Panga Fish for a while. The taste is delicious, and price very affordable. Now that I read all this I am concerned. At the same time this fish has been on the market for a while here, and we all know how careful customs is in the EU before letting food coming in fom the outside World. We also know the violence of the EU fish industry when it comes to defend its interests. Should not the combination of these two factors be a guarantee that the fish is OK? I am quite sure that if the fish was not good to eat, fishmen would have known how to put pressure on the EU institutions to stop importing it. who should we believe?
Comment by Fabrizio 10.29.08 @ 6:19 amthis is a terrible way of treating the pangas, and so wrong to feed it to human! cruel and inhumane
Comment by chumpman 11.21.08 @ 12:16 pmMy two kids love this fish! The news is so disturbing and disheartening. In fact, I still have a kilo or 2 in the freezer and I dont know if I should throw them out or wait.
Any feedback on the results of lab test c/o Pol?
Comment by Pinky 11.28.08 @ 11:56 amwanna eat chep – this is what you get. good value food never comes cheap. save money on food = invest in health problems.
Comment by kamil 12.22.08 @ 3:55 pmPanga’s safe to eat or not? No one seems to be able to offer any serious facts, only circumstantial ‘evidence’.
As a consequence, some people choose to be rather ’safe than sorry’ and determine that they won’t eat Panga any longer.
So far for the success of anti-Panga propaganda.
Propaganda feeds on people’s uncertainty, on their prejudices, and on common knowledge.
It is common knowledge that the world harbours some really bad, unethical food industries (check your own country!). So ‘there must be some ground’ to any story about a bad food industry.
It is a prejudice that ‘everything that comes from exotic, poor countries must be suspicious. The Vietnamese are capable of god-knows-what, so let’s all distrust their food industry’. Yet I was in Vietnam twice, and if there’s anything safe and healthy about the country, it is their food.
And as this discussion shows, there is a lot of uncertainty about the healthiness of eating Panga. Raising suspicion almost always reaches its goal: disseminating distrust and uncertainty. It is a sure win. If me and my friends start a similar propaganda tomorrow against surimi sticks, spreading the word that they consist of fish intestines and foetuses and carry heavy metals, we are sure to lower its market share by several millions. Because people are uncertain about surimi, and many of them are rather ’safe than sorry’.
The more sensible arguments have been raised above. Panga has obviously passed strict EU member states’ regulations on food health and contamination. That alone should suffice to prove this article erroneous, if not outright deceitful. In various countries Panga has been on the menu for ten years or more. No problem whatsoever. Those who *believe* that all those desastrous effects are still to come, must be so brave to admit that such effects, if any at all, can be attributed to hundreds of other factors, and that the association with panga is apparently very weak if not non-existent.
It is anyone’s guess who is responsible for the anti-panga propaganda. My best guess is that the culprits are among those whose business suffer from the succes of Vietnamese panga.
It is up to you, reader, whom to believe. Are you going to give in to your uncertainty, helped by your prejudices, and the common knowledge that ‘bad food’ is all around us? Be my guest. Just don’t kid yourself (or me) that Scandinavian salmon, Dutch smoked eel, or British cod beat panga in health-related respects. There is no excuse for ignorance.
Comment by Hannes Minkema 12.24.08 @ 11:27 amOh thanks alot. Thanks for enlightening us
I feel so relieved for knowing all these earlier. Thanks alot, alot.
heyy my kid hates this stuff and i cant get her to eat fish idkk what to do. it bothers me cuz she needs to eat because she is soo skinny and she wont eat anything exept oranges thats healthy but she needs meat. her name is marie. that might have something to do with it but oh well she’ll get over it she’ll cry and cry but i wont care. <3 i love you marie
I have panga 4 times. The first twice it took me time to work out why I was so violently ill. The 3rd time in a hotel where the fish wasnt described. Last night I had it in fish pie not knowing it was panga. This time as well as being violently sick I brought up half a bowl of blood.
My wife who has a far more delicate stomach was unaffected all four times. I am a great lover of fish and spicey foods but this is the only food that has affected me. So it is possible it is just me. However If I cant identify the fish the fish offered to me in future I will be giving it a wide berth.
I am a food scientist and Pangas is a terrible food, hardly any nutritional value and badly contaminated. Cooking kills SOME bacteria but far from all of them. It is banned in some countries and rightly so.
Comment by Judith 03.21.09 @ 6:20 pmI have a question for Judith (post comment on 03/21/09) I would like to know which countries banned this fish. And this fish has hardly any nutritional value? in what way
Comment by mreed 04.14.09 @ 9:20 pmThis issue was discussed in EU Parliament:
The EU has stepped up its imports of panga fillets from Asia at a rhythm of 60 % per annum: from 2004 to 2007 alone, the rate of increase was 235 %. The US has banned imports of Chinese panga, owing to the presence of polluting substances and the suspicion that they could contain antibiotics. Vietnamese companies raise panga in the highly polluted Mekong delta.
In view of the above factors and the crisis affecting the fisheries sector in the EU (largely due to imports of fish and insufficient controls), can the Commission state:
1. what controls have been or are being carried out by the EU on imports of panga fillets from Asia;
2. what results it has obtained from those controls;
3. whether it has detected the presence of prohibited substances or pollutants in those imports, and, if so, whether it can specify the products concerned and their countries of origin;
4. whether it is willing to intensify checks on such imports, with a view to offering stronger guarantees to consumers in the EU and ensuring strict compliance with the Union’s technical, health, environmental and social norms, while also helping alleviate the grave crisis of the Community fisheries sector in the wake of possible cases of unfair competition?
IT IS NOT TRUE. IF YOU WANT YOU CAN CHECK on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panga .
Comment by Marian 06.24.09 @ 12:56 amI am french and have lived for 25 years in South East Asia with my husband who is an environmental engineer and an expert in water pollution. He knows about this fish and believe me would never even touch it!
Comment by Goh M.C 07.02.09 @ 10:30 amwell i think it tastes nice mmmmmmmmmmmm
Comment by steve buxton 07.09.09 @ 5:28 amI am a food scientist and i assure you this fish does have a high nutritional value in terms of protein and low carbs/fat, much like any other fish.
Panga can be bread in most water environments, they are not exclusive to said river!
Comment by luper 07.12.09 @ 1:38 pmnewsflash: RED M&M’S ARE ALSO POISON!! BEWARE, PEOPLE! DON’T EAT RED M&M’S OR YOU WILL DIE (eventually – it takes about 50 years for the cumulative toxins to build up in your system and kill you).
Comment by Chicken Little 08.13.09 @ 9:07 pmI Just had some last week in Pavo Georgia. They were great!
Comment by Nancy Pigeon 09.21.09 @ 5:54 pmI live in Halifax ,Nova Scotia , Canada. We are known for our salmon which is now farm grown where it used to be wild. The salmon is fed hormones to grow faster and salmon have become huge at a fast rate as well as a a slew of medicine as the salmon are quite unhealthy due to being confined in a small area. Much like factory animals. Areas where the fish are farmed have polluted the sea killing off our populationof wild salmon. These fish are marketed in Europe as healthy. Down here we know better and many fisherman have been complaining that these farms are dwindling the wild fish population creating disease in the waters. So , the tactics that big business has employed is selling foods in faroff areas where people don’t actually see the location and how the food is produced. Another wards what you don’t know won’t hurt you. I am not a fisherman nor connected to fish in anyway. I am only a person trying to warn others of the poor qualtiy of our food today and that one must
take charge of their own health and eat foods close to home and know where it is produced. Diseased foods produce diseased people.
fishy story
Comment by bob 11.16.09 @ 12:19 pmPanga = Caca?
Comment by mau a farta 11.18.09 @ 2:43 amI read Kweesong’s view with great interest and what he says was an articulate, educated and correct comment in my view. how right he is – There are always two sides to every story. I would like to know what happened to the promised toxicological report from Pol? Has anyone actually tested Panga from Vietnam? Panga is becoming popular here in South Africa and we’ve enjoyed eating it a few times. it is delicious and reminds us very much of British plaice – however, lets face it, the truth is that most fish around the world is contaminated. I grew up on the east coast of England post WW2, when the North sea was polluted with heavy metals from mines and the like tossed overboard or in the sea as a result of ships being blown up and planes downed etc., we lived off fresh fish and thought ourselves very lucky eating this “healthy food” several times each week. however, in my 50’s I got diagnosed with heavy metal toxicity – particularly mercury and lead, with very high levels. Yes, I had amalgam dental fllings but I also ate high levels of what we now know was contaminated fish. I think we have to be discerning; educate ourselves, make sure of the correct facts, be aware of vested interests, try to be discerning and sensible based on what we’ve researched and hence be in a position to make an informed decision on what we do or don’t eat!
Carol – South Africa
Hey gullible and naive people…WAKE UP!
Its a HOAX by seafood producers to get you to buy more expensive fish from Europe, Australia, US etc. which is only more expensive because we have overfished our waters (look at UK cod for example) and we want to be able to export our own fish (which drives up the prices YOU have to pay locally) whilst hypocritically starting misinformaiton campaigns to suck in gullible people that imported fish is poisoned etc.
Basa is fine. Ive eaten it dozens of times in Australia and also in Vietnam. Its a perfectly palatable fish. Do you think your country would allow a fish which is poisonous to be imported? Basa has been available for several years now so where is the epidemic of food poisoning? How do they fillet the fish if (according to this email) the Basa is frozen in “contaminated” water? Basa is a naturally fast growing fish, it doesnt need hormones or chemicals to grow quickly. Because it is fast growing, does not have scales, can be raised in fresh water pens far inland and can be produced with much less chemicals and treatments than fish such as salmon, food security experts believe Basa will provide a sustainable fishery for the 21st century.
Basa are a predatory fish which eats other small fish in nature. Comparing feeding Basa fish meal (Im not even sure they are fed fish meal) to the mad cow outbreak in the UK is ridiculous. Basa eat other fish, Im pretty sure cows dont.
How come if a bakery produces a batch of bad bread that leads to the food poisoning of 20 people the authorities can track them down straight away?
It is not grown in rivers like fish produced for local consumption. Vietnam has some of the highest seafood export standards of any country in the world. Most seafood producers export Basa to Europe, USA, Canada, Australia and meet the quality and safety requirements for ALL of these countries.
In fact because exported Basa meets the quality and safety requirements of several countries it is probably SAFER than fish cought in your own country.
Just becuase someone wrote it on a blog doesnt make it true. The photos and text have been copied from another blog by the way.
Comment by Roids 01.05.10 @ 11:04 pmComment by Brian 03.21.09 @ 5:11 am
Brian, the worst case of food poisoning will not make you cough up “half a bowl of blood”.
Recommend you have a checkup ASAP my friend, maybe after your cheque from the European fishing industry has cleared?
Comment by Roids 01.05.10 @ 11:14 pmComment by Judith 03.21.09 @ 6:20 pm
Judith, banned in which countries please?
Alert, Judith is another industry protectionist propagandist.
A quick web search shows that Basa was banned in three US states not because of quality or safety concerns (its still imported to the other 40+ states in the US) but that those three states produce their own “catfish” and in order to protect the US industry the import of overseas fish was banned.
I have no vested interest in Basa either way but I have volunteered with NGO’s in Vietnam and visited several Basa farms and processing plants. This is all a scare campaign and hoax from people who have seen their market share decrease over the past 5-10 years thanks to cheap, tasty fish from overseas. They want you to buy their more expensive product.
Comment by Roids 01.05.10 @ 11:20 pm“Vietnamese companies raise panga in the highly polluted Mekong delta”
Export fish is not grown in the river!
The Vietnamese can not afford to buy export quality fish for local consumption so they grown the fish they eat themselves however they can, usually in ponds using river water. Hotels and higher class restaurants use the export quality fish though.
Comment by Roids 01.05.10 @ 11:28 pmWe live in France and eat Pangas once a week because it has a pleasant taste. (We have bought about 3kg at 3,90 eur. on special offer this week, ie 5 meals for 2 persons, = 1,20 per meal of 2 filets). It is cheap but then so are all the other imports from the far east; it has travelled a long way but so have my bananas from the French West Indies; New Zealand lamb also travels a long way to Europe.
We could debate for ever the economics and ethics of food production and importing. The fact is some Euro governments (British especially), have cocked-up agriculture & fishing policy so much that we have to import so much food instead of producing it ourselves.
Price above should read 3,90 euros per kg (normally 6,90-7,60 euros/kg)
Comment by Neil CLARKE 01.23.10 @ 5:43 amMy wife and I live in Vietnam and we have eaten Basa as it’s know here about once a week. Really tasty and never had any ill effects from it that we know of. I might add that i suffer from Diverticulitis and some foods do cause me an upset stomach but never after eating this fish.
Comment by Jesse Emerson 02.02.10 @ 7:11 amWhy on earth are they allowed to purchase this fish for human consumption???? There is a restaurant in Fort Myers Florida serving this fish. This is really scary!!!!!!!
Comment by Eugenia 02.22.10 @ 2:32 pmHave a look at the WWF link:
http://aquanic.org/species/catfish/documents/wwfpangasias.pdf
But fishfarming probably has limited growth anyway… be sure to watch the excellent documentary “The End of the Line” for a global overview.
Also, most fishfarming uses growth hormones and antibiotics. Best to become vegetarian.
Comment by Ryan 02.24.10 @ 3:06 pmI just found this article and thought that the readers of this thread may be grateful for some reporting with a little more substance.
Comment by George 03.31.10 @ 5:43 pmFunny that this article was posted 2 years ago and I only heard of it recently through a friend (through good intentions). Unfortunately, this article contains nothing of substance (no references, links to scientific findings, etc.) so it cannot be taken seriously. If there was any updated truth to the matter, please provide some websites to back your claims; otherwise, stop spreading FUD on the Internet!
Comment by yamakake 05.21.10 @ 2:22 amHeck i can make a report like this about the air we all breath, dose that mean we should all be wearing gas masks when we are born or some special oxygen tank that will be supplied for a minimal fee from some highly respected environmental friendly company. Nope. I can honesty say that in my mind European fish market is over priced and now when they are threaten by a 3th world country fish they will put all kinda reports to ban them. Similar case as this one was when in Croatia a popular drinking juice was allegedly with poison green paint in. Was this true hell no it was just a attempt to get and Austrian product out and the local brand on the shelf’s.
Comment by Filip 07.06.10 @ 12:23 amDoes anyone know to get some “Lab Test” on this fish meat to determine whether it’s contaminated, its nutritional value? This would silence every rumor and satisfy us all. Are there any Lab Technician or FDA inspector (FDA or similar organization in France) to contact?
Comment by Heng Le 07.17.10 @ 11:06 pmThis fish has been widely sold-out (frozen) in the supermarkets here in Saudi Arabia for SR. 10. The very first time I’ve got a horrifying report from one of my friend, I never ate this fish since then.
Comment by Prince 07.26.10 @ 12:30 amwe bought panga in Spain,where it was the recommended purchase in our supermarket; we both enjoyed a tasty supper dish. (not sure if I would have enjoyed it so much if I had read all the info before),& yes it did come from Vietnam.
Comment by juliet 08.02.10 @ 11:42 amwhat a load of polloks ive eaten this fish the last two nights and thoroughly enjoyed itIts lovley, im nearly 60 now and should i live until im 85 itll be good but i could be run over by a bus tomorrow or even poisoned by the other ingerdients so greatly administered and added to our food without our knowledge. think about what else your eating, what else do you get in your shopping basket that you dont know you paid for, youll be very suprised.
Comment by Bob 08.10.10 @ 11:13 pmThis merely propaganda, do your research properly, Vietnamese is not the only country exporting this kind of Fish, this is is found all over the world. The Mekong river is not as polluted as you know. those pic is wrongly interpreted.
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